10/1/14: Just heard from the previous owner of this site that he got a phone call from a Warren/Martin(?) Cooper at Marlin Reynolds threatening to kill him and his whole family. Guess that says it all about this mob.
6/6/2014 They are still operating. Still ripping people off. They will keep asking for more and more money, and you will Never see it!
Bacmann Group , Marlin Reynolds, TPG Holdings , Grainger Trust , TPG bet, Head2headbet , Brookshire-traders and qbetting.com all peddling the same or similar scam
Just got off the phone from a guy going by the name of Jack Larsen from Bachmanngroup.net, allegedly based in Hong Kong.
Update! a group calling themsleves marlinreynolds.net with bookmaker outlaygames.com have a Very similar scheme going, except they are based in Austria (supposedly). When I asked the guy what street they were on, he couldn’t tell me, even though I could see it on their map. Again, no results to show me. See http://www.justanswer.com/general/7qssr-know-marlin-reynolds-outlay-games.html
Also similar: bransondavies.com , worldwidesportsbet.net, omegga investments, tpgholdings.com, tpgbet.com, wilsonrichardson.com , graingertrust.net
Great example of a very poor scam, or at least an extremely high risk business to get involved with.
So the deal is that they ring you up and as if you have been scammed in the past. They have bought databases from companies that have been would up in the past that have been known to scam people in the past for thousands of dollars.
Now they tell you that they are going to help you make money back and that they’re nice guys, doing it because they want to help you recover from a bad experience.
So the deal is that you register with a bookmaker of theirs. They will manage your account with the $200 that you invest. They will bet on sports matches where they are guaranteed (!) a win, betting up to 50% of your account on a match ( depending how guaranteed it is I guess)
They are so nice that they only take commissions off your winnings. So you win, they win. You lose, they don’t take anything but you’ve lost your money, right. Of course once you lose your deposit, I’ve no doubt that they will ring again and make some excuse and try to lure you back in. More probably still, they will just move on to the next victim. Better for them probably is if your bets win, then they will persuade you to put in more cash, which you will eventually lose.
So, how to analyse this scam:
1.did they really buy a database, from dissolved /insolvent/closed scam companies? Really? They told me they paid 1 million for it.
2. On the website for the Bookmaker they use (overtheodds.net Not to be confused with teh legitimate overtheodds.com.au ) there is No contact information, even after you register an account. No information on bet types or bonus conditions, nothing! Very poor quality site. Just leaves you oozing with confidence in them.
3. If all their clients are with the same bookmaker, all winning all the time (as they claim) how will the bookmaker survive? They’d have to be the biggest bookmaker in the world to survive and even then they’d probably limit accounts or close them. Next question is, if they are so good at betting, why don’t they recommend several accounts to get the best odds for each event?
4. I don’t believe there is a bookmaker. The funds no doubt would go straight to their bank account, never to be seen again. Good luck trying to contact the bookie or get a withdrawal. There’s no banking details on the bookies website, so the deposit would have to go through Bachmanngroup anyway.
5. I asked for records. They do Keep records don’t they? After being in business for 10 years you’d think they have records, recorded results of the bets/trades. They said they’d send them. Haven’t seen anything yet and I’d wager that I never see any results.
Watch out, stay safe
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